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McDonald’s, Cow Eyeballs, and Fraudulent 100% Beef

Posted by Joel Marion on June 4, 2009

I know, I know…I said I wasn’t going to be back until tomorrow with Method #2 for building muscle and losing fat (Anabolic Burst Cycling), but after the reaction to my inclusion of a McDonald’s Double Cheeseburger wrapped in lettuce as part of my sample meal plan yesterday, I couldn’t help myself.

Do You Believe Everything You Read?

Did you know that McDonald’s is the world’s largest purchaser of cow eyeballs? Yes, cow eyeballs.

Also, if you spin around 7 times in your bathroom with the lights off chanting “Bloody Mary” the half sister of Elizabeth I will appear and KILL YOU.

I know. I have done this.

And, of course, spraying Listerine around the vicinity of your back yard keeps the mosquitoes, particularly those with malaria, out of site for…like…at least 5 years.

As Ben Stiller would say, “I read about it… in a BOOK”

Or maybe on the internet.

Either way, it has to be true.

Back to the cow eyeballs. Seriously? Let’s think about this logically.

There are 2 eyeballs per cow, for a collective weight of about a quarter pound, and oh, maybe, 425 lbs of BEEF.

Which do you think is the cheaper commodity?

But no, McDonald’s wants to poison you. They have an agenda to kill the world, so they’re willing to spend significantly more on cow eyeballs (instead of using actual beef at the ridiculous quantity discount they get for purchasing a billion pounds a year) for the sole purpose of sabotaging your diet.

“McDonald’s 100% beef claim is based on the fact that they use all cow parts, not exclusively the beef.”

Really? Apparently McDonald’s clearly defines 100% beef as “100% pure USDA inspected beef” and I’m not so sure an organization like the USDA would be comfortable with them stating that all over the media if it weren’t true.

In fact, they’d probably sue them for 5 Billion dollars, which I’m assuming would be pretty lucrative for the USDA.

But I’ve yet to see that lawsuit.

And McDonald’s also uses worms in their burger patties. At $25 per pound, why would they use real beef for a buck? Of course the clear choice is to spend more money to contaminate their menu items.

“McDonald’s purchased a company called 100% Beef so they could play semantics and pull the wool over consumers’ eyes and claim they use 100% beef simply because that’s the name of their beef supplier.”

McDonald’s beef has been supplied by Lopez Foods out of Oklahoma (very close to where I went to college my first year) for the last twenty five years.

Is a Double Cheeseburger wrapped in lettuce the perfect healthy meal? No.

The omega-3 to omega-6 ratio sucks.

But you know what? I don’t eat them all day. It’s maybe 1% of my total protein intake each week.

I also get 6 grams of combined EPA/DHA through fish oil each day, which more than covers my omega-3 needs.

Truth is, I love beef. And for the most part, I purchase it at the super market. I’m even a share holder at a local organic community supported agriculture (CSA) farm, and love their organic grass fed beef (super cheap, too).

At the same time, I’m not ultra paranoid about consuming a bunless burger from the Golden Arches every so often. Not saying that you have to, or that if you don’t eat McDonald’s you can’t be friends with me, that’s just my take.

How about you? Do you ever eat McDonald’s as part of your “diet” (not a cheat day)?

Do you avoid it like the plague?  Why or why not?

Bring on the comments,

Joel


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Shehryar KhanNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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After reading all that I donot want to touch a Macdonalds burger again! I mean every famous firm has been accused of something, eg: Pepsi of adding poisonous chemicals and Mouse juice or whatever it is… Mars chocolate of addings mouse hair. And now Macdonalds of such horrible ingredients, I hope they do not add a cow p*n*s.

And yeah this stuff is unhealthy although treating ur self once in a while wont do much harm…

JeffNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I don’t particularly care for McDonald’s burgers, but I will eat a bunless “Thickburger” from Hardee’s (or Carl’s Jr., depending on what part of the country you’re from) if I’m in need of some quick protein on the go. I also get a good amount of Omega-3′s and veggies in my diet every day, so I’m not really concerned about the lack or leanness in the burgers.

JohnNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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McDonalds has a little video on the plant here:

http://cep.mcdonalds.com/qualityfood/films_from_farms_lopez_video.jsp

Chad HaydenNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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If you eat anything that you did not prepare yourself, you are the only one responsible for your own demise.

(100% beef does not mean 100% meat.)

AndyNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Joel – you’re the man – give him a run on the comedy channel! I am very impressed with your good grace and humour (and facts) in responding to the hysteria that some of my learned fellow readers throw at you. Keep it up – can’t wait for tomorrow!

Andy

ChristinaNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I honestly avoid it because I have little faith that the quality/handling/content of the “beef” patties are what I’d want to be putting in my body. Think about the ridiculous number of McDonald’s locations all over the world that serve these things every single day. There can’t possibly be enough cows with enough actual MEAT in them (not eyeballs etc) to supply this much demand. Soooo makes sense that they would use “fillers” to make up for the deficit, right? ew ew ew ew ew….and don’t even get me STARTED on the use of antibiotics to kill the infectious puss and disease that these poor cows suffer with as a result of mass breeding….

DannyNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Fair enough Joel. The points you have made are valid and it is totally up to the individual what they choose to eat. I personally wouldn’t eat anything from McDonald’s, not because I believe all of the rumours that you have highlighted, but because I think their food tastes dreadful.

BenNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Hi Joel, no i don’t eat at mickey d’s. I prefer my burgers to be done fresh like at In n Out burgers, with real tomatoes, real onion. You can order them how you like them. Unfortunately for most of the u.s. they are only in Calif. parts of arizona and Las Vegas. But for the most part I dont do fast food…I prefer to make my own. I’ve found that when I crave something theres a big chance I’ll be disapointed when I eat out. This gives me a chance to make it healthier and my way. Like using bison meat instead of beef less fat tastes just as good.

merrillNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Shehryar you obviously didn’t understand what Joel was trying to say.

JimNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Only thing I ever get at McDonald’s is their chicken selects strips. If I’m going to McDonald’s it’s most likely because I’m in a hurry or b/c I just don’t care about myself that day. It’s good to know that I haven’t been eating their wormy eyeball burgers, but with my luck their chicken selects strips are probably made from 100% Grade A chicken feces.

LindaNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Hi Joel,
All the more reason to become a vegetarian or raw foodist….
However, you may want to check out Snopes.com about the Mcdonalds rumors.
Please post your thoughts after you read it.
Thanks,
Linda

EitanNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Every month or so, I do make a pass but here’s the thing. You never just order a burger. You know it’s going to be the Big Mac MENU SUPER SIZE with fries and a chocolate shake and that’s the killer. A shake like that has what = 750 cals and the fries are fried in oil fat.

I rather go for a Greek Gyros or Kebab instead, forget the fries.

Thinking WomanNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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There are other reasons to avoid McDonald’s. A cow is meant to eat grass. Obvious, right? Don’t you picture cows happily grazing in open pastures? Not “finished” on corn nor fed grain. Cow farts (which are supposedly causing global warming) are a direct result of the indigestion caused by giving these poor beasts the wrong food. Grass fed, organic beef costs more, but at least it is natural and healthy. By varying our sources of protein and eating small portions (and really savoring what we are eating), the cost is not debilitating.

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LaurelNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I don’t eat at McDonald’s because I believe the way they advertise to kids is irresponsible. And some of the movies they have promoted through their kids meals are NOT children’s movies. SO that is why I stay away. I don’t want my kids growing up, having a company like that as a part of what is ‘normal’ in our family life. We have other choices.
However, when we lived in England, McDonald’s THE only place you could get a decent burger that didn’t have a lot of cereal filler, and the only place that really was friendly to kids. So we did eat there occasionally with our boys.

jamieNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Sounds like some people have already missed the point!

VinnyNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Joel,

nickNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I east at the arches like a mofo! Grilled chicken salads and bunless mcdoubles as far as the eye can see!

BethNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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uh..I think most of you are missing the point here. McDonald’s does NOT contain cow eyeballs, worms or any other disgusting thing you read on the Internet (or “in a book”). Please people – lighten up! ANYTHING in moderation is ok. But yes, sadly many eat it too often because it is that darned “convenience” food. But their fries are awesome!!! Especially if you dip them in their blood-soaked ketchup (leftover from the eyeballs of course). Thanks for the laugh Joel.

VinnyNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Joel, Anything inside of a cow is technically 100% real beef. That is why you can buy tongue at food markets, feet, etc. In other countries the people eat the whole animal, particularly the organ meats which you can no longer get in this country. And not eat just certain parts. This is truly an American phenomenon. If people knew what they put in hot dogs they would not be complaining about Mickey D’s.

SteveNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Good job, Joel. I agree that paranoia has a better chance of killing us in the long run than an occaisional burger. I must admit though, with all the crap out there, it is hard to decide what is true and not.

RichyNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I always stay away from fast food items on my diet days. I don’t truly know what is in the burger, so i try to buy my own food and know the nutrition facts.

ToriNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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LOLOL!! I rarely eat out, not because of the food, it’s the servers dirty hands all over my food I don’t like! Besides I make a better burger and eat it on a damn bun!

AnthonyNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Obviously it is working for you so what is the big deal.

LisaNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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3 words…Fast Food Nation. Scary stuff.

kathyNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Joel, you consume artificial sweeteners, fatty fast food like Mcdonalds, and personally, I get a kick out of your irreverence and lack of fear-based life style. This could be your way of marketing… and maybe, just maybe the fitness industry has gone to far and created too much fear. Chemicals are everystere. In everyting! Yet, we are living longer right?

Shannon ClarkNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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That is disgusting! The only thing I ever eat at McDonalds is the McFlurrie….always gets me! Really interesting information though…makes you think twice about what you’re eating.

AndrewNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I love mcdonalds so I choose to only eat it once in a while on my cheat days. If I eat on any other day for protien then I know I might go overboard. Even if its lettuce wrapped. I think its a great idea though if you have to have the burger. Its better than having the bun and fries with a large coke. Why not make it a lettuce wrapped double cheese burger with a diet coke. That kicks ass!

I just wish I could do that not on a cheat day.

RalphNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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This Post RULES lol!! Just for the record, Ive lost 21lbs eating Dunkin Donuts egg white flatbreads and Wendy’s bacon cheeseburgers without the bun as a part of my diet. ;)

RobinNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I’m with Tori. However I won’t condem someone either or make malice filled claims about the food that I really have no facts about. That’s my take. But it’s good that you point these things out as well. Beacause alot if people believe things about companies like Micky D’s because there an easy target.

AriochNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I rarely eat fast food. When I do, I don’t have a problem with McD’s or the King. I just try and make a wise choice.

This does not mean I don’t buy burgers. I just like to get them at certain restaurants that will make them the way I like rather than to take them from under the warming lights.

HeatherNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I haven’t eaten at McDonald’s (or any fast food restaurante) in years. Not to say I wouldn’t if desperate times called for desperate measures. But I do know this, their beef can’t be 100% real meat because whenever I eat anything with preservatives/fillers I get a digestive reaction..and that used to happen with McD’s when I ate their burgers. When I eat burgers at home..I’m fine.
Obviously it’s not the best meat there is..but I highly doubt it’s going to kill you eating 1 every so often.

SkepticNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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You post makes good common sense. Actually, two McDoubles on one bun is a pretty well balanced meal as far as protein/fat/carbohydrate ratio is concerned. I try to eat the 30/30/40 ratio on every meal. McDonald’s is terrible for micronutrients but when you are busy and don’t have the time to cook for yourself or neglected to pack a lunch…. NO FRIES OR SODA!!!! Try the Powerade instead.

CliffordNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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A few weeks ago I basically had the McDonalds meal that Joel mentioned. I think I had a chicken salad and a double cheeseburger without the bun. I rarely eat fast food, but I think having that meal once every few weeks is better than not eating anything at all. Also, I believe Carl’s Jr. has a $6 burger on their menu that is wrapped in lettuce. Lastly, In-n-Out has a “Protein Burger” that is not on their menu that substitutes the bun for lettuce.

GraceNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Yesterday I was regretting that I had labeled some of the commenters idiots. I don’t normally like to label people based on my perception of their intelligence, but instead nicely and politely address their specific behavior – that is, in this case, that they are speaking out of ignorance of the facts. But again, some of those same people are bashing a single restaurant out of not only ignorance, but a complete inability to understand sarcasm now too. I reiterate, idiots!
However, I see several more intelligent comments today. Nice to hear from some people with sense.
BTW, I have seen it over and over. The people who blame McD’s for their obesity but follow them into the supermarket and you’ll see them buy a box of donuts every time, or pick up a candy bar every time they stop for gas. These are the same people who blame the restaurant workers and restaurant food for their food poisoning, but used the bathroom and didn’t wash their hands. I have strictly enforced food safety practices in my career, and it doesn’t make a damn bit of difference to those idiots because they poison themselves then look for someone else to blame.
And chew on this, the average food service worker knows way more about food safety than most “more educated” consumers.

TomNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Look no matter how often you eat at Mickey-D’s, there food is still the worst you can get in the entire fast food industry. You see they use a little something called trans fat to cook all of there food in. Ever wonder why it tastes so good? Well fat adds flavor, and surprising enough McDonalds uses the worst kind of fat: trans fat. Believe it or not,but there burgers are actually one of the better things on the menu. Their chicken products, unless grilled, are literally dipped in a batter and then into a vat of pure fat. Usually they don’t let the chicken drain. They just slap it onto a bun and set it over a heating component as to keep it warm. When you bite into that thing you think,”Hey this is juicy, it must be real chicken.” Have you ever eaten the white meat of a store bought chicken? It doesn’t have juice coming out anywhere, it’s dry unless you baste it, and Mcdonalds doesn’t baste their chicken patties. That “juice” is just the fat that soaked in while that patty was just sitting being warmed. Basically it won’t hurt to have a hamburger now and then as long as you’re getting enough exercise to burn it all off. Don’t eat lot’s of red meat(beef) especially, because red meat is a huge cause of cancer. If you consume lot’s of beef start eating strawberries and blueberries, they have antioxidants and prevent cancer. If you eat enough you can reverse the effect of cancer causing beef. Remember, this is only if you eat a lot of beef, like having it as the main course of you meal for 5 days out of the week.

Yo soy fine.

SarahNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I don’t usually eat fast food anymore, but all the rumors are hysterical. And I don’t think it would stop me if they did use eyeballs if it tasted good. People eat snails and snake and lots of interesting things.

Gillian MooreNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Mcdonalds burgers just don’t taste real to me. u can make homemade burgers from lean mince that taste a million times better. y would u settle for eating that crap? ok i get it ur in a rush and u need to grab something quick. but i’d raher have ‘real’ food in my handbag to munch on (ie an apple, almonds, walnuts etc). I may be slightly biased as i’m not a big beef eater. but I just think McDonalds burgers aren’t appetising at all.

Rick CrockerNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Greetings,

Due to college and a period of my life where I had to eat at restaurants all the time, I simply lost interest in “eating out”.

I prefer to eat at home whenever possible ……

That way I can more easily control what I am eating and I have some idea of what is in the food.

I once had a friend who was a restaurant inspector and the horror stories he told me added additional pause to the impulse to eat at restaurants.

Am I paranoid or over reacting ????? I guess it really does not matter as I prefer to eat at home regardless of the issues involved.

treyNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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i don’t really care what micky d’s sells for meat. their food sucks and i dont eat there.

MikeNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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@Shehryar Khan – Cows don’t have a p*n*s. They have a p*s*y and like Joel says it is all protein. If cooked correctly every part of a steer is edible and good for you.

EdwardNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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All I can say is YUC!! Just ANOTHER reason to hate Mcdonald’s!!

SkepticNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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@Thinking Woman – The reason cattle are ‘finished’ on grain is to change the fat color and to remove ‘gaminess’ from the beef. The downside is the loss of Omega 3′s.

Having lived on a farm I can speak from experience that if cattle get into, say, a field of sorghum, they’ll eat the entire plant. They aren’t as discriminating as you propose. And cow farts causing global warming is ludicrous.

MarieNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Stopped eating at McDonald’s about 5 years ago. It wasn’t due to the ingredients in the food…we all do know that most prepared food has a thing or two that is not really for human consumption, right? I got ticked off with the clerk 2 nights in a row and having prayed to God for help with losing weight, I took it as a sign to just stop eating there 8:30 PM every night. I would alternate between the fish sandwich and the cheeseburger kid’s meal, since it was so late. LOL Didn’t do the diet coke thing either.

Please know that the processes that our food goes through, by the time it reaches our shelves and kitchens is what is causing an ailing America. We all must work toward committing to healthier eating/living and passing the word on to our fellow Americans. It takes time to learn to eat beneficially, but we did not stand upright when we were born and begin walking either.

I am working on it myself.

daveNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I personally will not eat at or take my kids to McDonalds or any of the other fast food chains in that category.while it may taste good, the food there has no nutritious value whatsoever. I would not even consider it real food. Let’s not forget all these chains served food full of trans fats until they were forced to remove them.

MarieNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I agree!!! 100% beef, pork, chicken, etc. simply means that the contents all came from the same animal. Used to live near a sausage company as a kid and my dad took us by there to view the process. That is how long I have known about processed food. I am now in my 40′s and just getting around to making a change.
@Chad Hayden – Stopped eating at McDonald’s about 5 years ago. It wasn’t due to the ingredients in the food…we all do know that most prepared food has a thing or two that is not really for human consumption, right? I got ticked off with the clerk 2 nights in a row and having prayed to God for help with losing weight, I took it as a sign to just stop eating there 8:30 PM every night. I would alternate between the fish sandwich and the cheeseburger kid’s meal, since it was so late. LOL Didn’t do the diet coke thing either.

Please know that the processes that our food goes through, by the time it reaches our shelves and kitchens is what is causing an ailing America. We all must work toward committing to healthier eating/living and passing the word on to our fellow Americans. It takes time to learn to eat beneficially, but we did not stand upright when we were born and begin walking either.

I am working on it myself.

DrewNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Fatty problems aside, I avoid McDonalds because their food tastes horrible. Simple as that.
And, yes, they use 100% real beef from old milk cattle. It’s real beef, it’s just fattier because milk cows have more fat on them than the male bulls. Just like most animals, including humans, females have a higher fat percentage than males. That’s normal, but I don’t have to eat the fattiermeat, thank you very much, particularly when it tastes as bad as McDonalds.

If I’m going to splurge on a burger, I’m at least going to Whataburger if not a nice restaurant where they’ve spent some time to make it taste good.

PineNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Hi Joel,

On cheat days, I eat what I like – isn’t that more or less the meaning of “cheat” ? And if I have the urge to eat McDonald’s burger – hey why not?

Even on non-cheat day , like you did – without bread and lettuce wrapped or whatever. As long as I’m not eating McDonald’s 3 times a day – seven days a week, I guess I will be fine.

On the flip side though, how can we be sure that high-scale supermarket’s selling of “Grain Hand-Fed/ Veggie-Fed/ Omega-3 Enhanced” kind of meat are what they say they are?

MavourneenNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I never heard those things about their beef. I used to eat more burgers from Mcd’s, BK and Wendy’s, but now I try to stay away from them since I heard how unhealthy they are for you. But, every now and then I make a pass through McD’s for a hamburger kids meal. I do like the bugers w/ x pickles, and the fries, since they haven’t changed as much as BK’s. Like someone else said, everthing in moderation. I figure one, once in a while won’t kill me.

Joel MarionNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Originally Posted By Edward
All I can say is YUC!! Just ANOTHER reason to hate Mcdonald’s!!

I convinced that some people don’t even read the posts.

Oh, the folly of what I do.

BethNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I would have to agree w/you Joel -people saw your headlines & went straight to their soapbox. To end on my favorite quote (not mine)…all you (excessively healthy) people are going to feel dumb lying in a hospital bed some day dying of nothing. Again I say, lighten up!!!! Off to McDonalds………………………………

JeremyNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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You know, McDonald’s meat probably isn’t any worse for you then all of the other fast food beef patties. They all come from the same corn-fed cows.

NicoleNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Wow, is it really that unclear to you people that the burgers are not wormy eyeball burgers?

NicoleNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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@Joel Marion – For real.

JimNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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If McDonalds represents 1% of your weekly protein intake, its not even worth talking about. Too many people on this post are focusing on minutae.

Ombretta CaruanaNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Something that is prepared and has to be thrown away after a certain number of MINUTES or else it is deemed no longer healthy, is something I definitely do not want in my body. Has any one of you seen Super Size Me? Have you tried or seen their experiment? Crazy! I agree with Chad Hayden … 100% beef does not mean 100% meat … but everyone is free to make their own choices.

The Fit DadNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Excellent post Joel.

I grew up in the ranching industry (my dad used to own a feedlot with roughly 10,000 cattle) and know the industry better than most. For people to think that McDonald’s would do things like that is kinda silly.

Granted, the quality of beef ain’t the greatest (that’s why they have “Grades” for beef, Grade A, etc.) it’s not going to be loaded with eyeballs, tongues and worms.

I love burgers and on occasion eat one from McDonald’s…and I’m roughly 180 pounds, have 9 or 10% bodyfat, and a 30″ waist. At my last physical, my blood profile was perfect, good blood pressure, etc.

One of my favorite movie lines is from “The Great Outdoors” with John Candy and Dan Akroyd. John Candy wants to get hot dogs and Dan Akroyd says “You know what hot dogs are made of? Lips and assholes.”

Anyway, it’s the fries that kill you…everyone knows this.

Claus SchikoNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Originally Posted By Joel Marion

Originally Posted By EdwardAll I can say is YUC!! Just ANOTHER reason to hate Mcdonald’s!!

I convinced that some people don’t even read the posts.

Oh, the folly of what I do.

Oh Joel, look what you have started. A bloody debate. Is that really what you wanted? Having people think and talk about the most important thing with regards to healthy lives, ie diet and nutrition? Shame on you….

Anyway, we all know as you have rightly pointed out, is that variety is the spice of life. That is the case when it comes to workouts, your job, your love life and so with your food. As long as you have a varied diet that includes things very close to its natural state (fruits, vegetables etc) then we will all be healthy. And I take my children to McDonalds once in a while and they are healthy good children because we cook at home too, and eat raw vegetables and lots of fruit.

Go figure eh.

Keep the faith my man. The world will be a better place if you dont give up

John KellnerNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Haha Joel – some funny stuff there!

Every once in a while (like once every couple of weeks to a month) I’ll grab a burger from Dairy Queen. Yummy – and I even eat the bun too. Will going to McDonald’s and grabbing a burger once in a while be detrimental? Nope.

As with everything, I personally believe in moderation. Common sense? I think so.

GailNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Hi Joel,

This is the first time that I have responded to your blog. I am a 63 yr old fit
female who has worked as an executive in the meat industry for many years. I cannot believe that people still “swallow” that nonsense about McDonalds beef.
Those stories make have about as much validity as the one about the corn companies injecting yellow dye into the kernels.
Just because you read something doesn’t make it true,

P.S. Love your site and info.

PeteNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I don’t eat McDonalds beef on a matter of principle, basically it is the easiest thing to disguise anything by making it into a burger, however i do occasionally have chicken burgers from them, though not often as i feel the nutritional value of the food in very little, plus i don’t like getting fat and i have it on good authority that the food is loaded with sugar. Thanks for your insight though, i will still not be eating McDonalds Beef.

Ombretta CaruanaNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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@Ombretta Caruana – Just to clarify … I don’t have it on with McDonald’s … for the same reasons, I won’t eat anything that has hydrogenated oils, trans fats, or high fructose corn syrup in it … I don’t eat it and I won’t let anybody in my family eat it either.
McDonald’s Double Cheeseburger:
Nutrition Facts
Serving Size 5.8 oz (165 g)
Calories 440
Calories From Fat 210
Total Fat (g) 23
Saturated Fat (g) 11
Trans Fat (g) 1.5
Cholesterol (mg) 80
Sodium (mg) 1150
Carbohydrates (g) 34
Dietary Fiber (g) 2
Sugars (g) 7
Protein (g) 25
Vitamin A (IU) 10
Vitamin C (mg) 2
Calcium 25
Iron (mg) 20

RANDYNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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The last 3 times that I ate at one of McDonald’s fast food restaurants, I got sick to the point of vomiting. The last time was over 5 years ago. As far as I am concerned, the name of these establishments should be “McChoke & Puke.

TeriNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Are you people serious! Really- some of these posts are just plain crazy!

I agree with Joel that most of you guys either didn’t read the post at all or you need to lighten up. Who gives a rats a**.

Eat there if you enjoy it, don’t eat there if you don’t! End of story.

JoeNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Good points..I eat McDonald’s once in like 3-6 months…but, when I do. I go all out. 3 double cheeseburgers, large fries, and chocolate shake. Not a cheat day…just a weak moment when I find myself with my family in one of those places.

Joel MarionNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Originally Posted By Ombretta Caruana
Something that is prepared and has to be thrown away after a certain number of MINUTES or else it is deemed no longer healthy, is something I definitely do not want in my body. Has any one of you seen Super Size Me? Have you tried or seen their experiment? Crazy! I agree with Chad Hayden … 100% beef does not mean 100% meat … but everyone is free to make their own choices.

Holding times are to ensure serving appetizing, hot, not old food…not because they all of sudden turn deadly after 15 minutes.

Joel

DWNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I have avoided McDonalds for most of my life because I do not particularly like their food. However, in more recent years I have converted to a vegan diet, and now I am the healthiest I have ever been. At 55 years of age, I have more strength and endurance than I did when I was 25. I get all the nutrients I need from plant based whole foods, and I do weight training 3 days per week and some kind of cardio 3 days per week. My decision to stop eating animal produces was the best thing I ever did for my overall health.

NoraNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Jeez, doesn’t anybody care about how the animals are treated before they become burgers, or nuggets, or ‘spare’ ribs? Factory farms are an abomination ethically, environmentally, and psychologically. Do some research! And before someone makes a flip remark about how you want to slather meat all over yourself, think about the absolute terror and brutality visited upon these hapless individuals every day of their lives., and how it creates adrenalin and god knows what else in their systems…all of which you’re taking into your own body. And certainly people who work in these slaughterhouses have to numb themselves to the horrific nature of killing hundreds, if not thousands of animals every day. It makes them do unspeakably cruel things to the animals as they objectify them, similar to the objectification you’d see in wartime. They must shut down parts of themselves to survive psychologically. If you are going to eat meat, be sure it’s as humanely raised and slaughtered as possible, organic, grass-fed–whatever. Or better yet, go vegetarian or vegan. If people are going to be carnivores, they must get back to compassion, sustainability, and environmental stewardship. But most importantly, we must respect these animals and be aware of all we have taken from them–all for a ‘mouthful of flesh.’ Some may say that these animals only exist because of food production…well I bet if you asked them, many would prefer NOT to live and die in the deplorable way they do. Like us, animals feel emotions and pain. Like us, animals want to live a life unmolested, and with small pleasures, like feeling the grass beneath their feet, the sunshine above, eating what they like, raising young that aren’t ripped from them the moment they’re born (or laid), stretching, walking around freely, mating without human intervention, and so on. As Albert Schweitzer said, “Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight.” I’d say, think of it more than just occasionally, and try living your life as compassionately and mindfully as possible, in as many ways possible. Just remember…it’s not always about you.

HalNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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While I am impressed that McDonald’s offers lettuce a wrapped burger, I won’t do business with them for another reason. They are a big corporate chain and as such they exist only to overcompensate a handful of execs at the expense of everyone else they come in contact with. They demand volume pricing. They don’t pay their employees squat. Yet their prices keep going up. They say it’s because of “costs”. The only costs that have gone up in several decades are in the executive suites at McDonald’s and their vendors. Those overpaid morons have no problem with paying a million bucks a pop for used homes that sold for less than ten grand when they were built while their employees can’t buy homes at all. Oh, and what happens if one of these fools defaults on their home loan because they didn’t save some of their unearned compensation for tough economic times? No problem. Their workers tax money goes toward bailing these worthless a__holes out. I’ve been unemployed for a year and a half now partly because America’s corporate execs shipped most of the good jobs overseas solely to enrich themselves. A thousand bucks of my unemployment compensation went to the Feds to bail those fat f_cks out of their home loans. No way am I going to support that scene. There is only one exception, the dollar menu at Burger King. I have no problem with a spicy chicken crisp (no mayo, plus barbeque sauce) because it’s a loss leader. They want me to get fries and a soda with that but it doesn’t happen. That being said, there is a independant locally owned burger stand in town that is fairly priced and offers optional lettuce wraps on all their burgers, which are quite good. It’s a win-win for everyone.

BarbNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I have always worried about the unknown so I only drink the unsweetened ice tea to keep my matabolism going

JohnNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Originally Posted By NoraJeez, doesn’t anybody care about how the animals are treated before they become burgers, or nuggets, or ‘spare’ ribs? Factory farms are an abomination ethically, environmentally, and psychologically. Do some research! And before someone makes a flip remark about how you want to slather meat all over yourself, think about the absolute terror and brutality visited upon these hapless individuals every day of their lives., and how it creates adrenalin and god knows what else in their systems…all of which you’re taking into your own body. And certainly people who work in these slaughterhouses have to numb themselves to the horrific nature of killing hundreds, if not thousands of animals every day. It makes them do unspeakably cruel things to the animals as they objectify them, similar to the objectification you’d see in wartime. They must shut down parts of themselves to survive psychologically. If you are going to eat meat, be sure it’s as humanely raised and slaughtered as possible, organic, grass-fed–whatever. Or better yet, go vegetarian or vegan. If people are going to be carnivores, they must get back to compassion, sustainability, and environmental stewardship. But most importantly, we must respect these animals and be aware of all we have taken from them–all for a ‘mouthful of flesh.’ Some may say that these animals only exist because of food production…well I bet if you asked them, many would prefer NOT to live and die in the deplorable way they do. Like us, animals feel emotions and pain. Like us, animals want to live a life unmolested, and with small pleasures, like feeling the grass beneath their feet, the sunshine above, eating what they like, raising young that aren’t ripped from them the moment they’re born (or laid), stretching, walking around freely, mating without human intervention, and so on. As Albert Schweitzer said, “Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight.” I’d say, think of it more than just occasionally, and try living your life as compassionately and mindfully as possible, in as many ways possible. Just remember…it’s not always about you.

Oh lord…talking to animals…here we go with the fanatical vegetarian activists.

I’d rather eat a steak than testosterone plummeting soy any day.

JoshNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Bunless burgers are usually included when I’m busy or on the run when doing a low/no-carb diet plan like the Anabolic Diet or just low carb in general. I try to eat “clean” food but at this point in our modern lives everything out there seems to be bad in some way. Anyone cooking their organic free-range meats at home and transporting and heating them up in tupperware are introducing their own set of poisons.

NoraNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Again, John, there’s nothing fanatical about compassion. And no one wants you to eat soy (which I never mentioned) if you don’t want to! I just want you to think beyond your view of animals as only food, or what they can do for you. I understand your response, though, because if you really thought about what we do for meat–I mean, REALLY thought about it–you’d have to change the way you eat. And you don’t want to.

cruzmislNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Dont like any fast food burgers. The meat doesn’t look like meat and the patties are 1/4″ thick. Also, ever since I saw Fast Food Nation I’m not too excited about eating at those places.

I do love a good burger though. I love to make it out of grass fed beef and use ground chuck. Fat profile of beef is much better with grass fed beef and the flavor is better too.

karenNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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People are funny! So many either did not read the post, do not get sarcasm or already had their opinions formed and nothing was going to change them.

I do go to McD’s occassionally and I even get my 6 year old a happy meal every now and again – love the play room. We talk about food and how this is not one of our “best” choices, but try to fill our diet with better choices usually so that we can have a “treat” every now and again. As for me I actually LOVE there Southwest grilled Chicken salad – with 1/4 of the dressing – YUM – I amy stop there tonight…

cindyNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Thanks for taking the time & trouble to put this in writing, makes sense, but sometimes not everyone thinks these things through.

BradfordNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Joel — I agree with Karen above. Do these people read at all? I’m not much of a McDonald’s eater, but it’s a good treat when I have it. Great post!

By the way — where do you get the cheap grass-fed beef? A lot is pretty expensive on line.

DebraNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I LOVE quarter pounders and will continue to eat them once in a while . . . I am a cancer survivor . . . life is short . . . I don’t deny myself anything – I just don’t overendulge. Thanks for the post Joel.

FredNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Saw the video… Why aren’t all the food handlers wearing masks? @John -

JohnNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Originally Posted By NoraAgain, John, there’s nothing fanatical about compassion. And no one wants you to eat soy (which I never mentioned) if you don’t want to! I just want you to think beyond your view of animals as only food, or what they can do for you. I understand your response, though, because if you really thought about what we do for meat–I mean, REALLY thought about it–you’d have to change the way you eat. And you don’t want to.

That’s PRECISELY it! Despite trying to hide behind my haunting daily guilt, apparently I’m as transparent as can be.

Off to eat a steak…with compassion!!

Toodles.

RachelNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Woah. McDonald’s should be paying us for all this free publicity (negative publicity can have advantageous effects too). Joel, I think you may have been offended by some of the judgmental comments that were made about your lettuce-wrapped double cheeseburger and thus felt compelled to defend yourself (diplomatically). I think you offer a lot of valuable information and would prefer if we could stick to topics that I could really apply to my fitness lifestyle. Although arguing can be fun and cognitively stimulating, the current contents of this blog are a far cry from what I would consider “Premium Web-Based Coaching.” It is only my fault, and I have to admit that I am slightly disappointed in myself for spending my time reading many of these comments.

DallinNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Originally Posted By John

Originally Posted By NoraJeez, doesn’t anybody care about how the animals are treated before they become burgers, or nuggets, or ‘spare’ ribs? Factory farms are an abomination ethically, environmentally, and psychologically. Do some research! And before someone makes a flip remark about how you want to slather meat all over yourself, think about the absolute terror and brutality visited upon these hapless individuals every day of their lives., and how it creates adrenalin and god knows what else in their systems…all of which you’re taking into your own body. And certainly people who work in these slaughterhouses have to numb themselves to the horrific nature of killing hundreds, if not thousands of animals every day. It makes them do unspeakably cruel things to the animals as they objectify them, similar to the objectification you’d see in wartime. They must shut down parts of themselves to survive psychologically. If you are going to eat meat, be sure it’s as humanely raised and slaughtered as possible, organic, grass-fed–whatever. Or better yet, go vegetarian or vegan. If people are going to be carnivores, they must get back to compassion, sustainability, and environmental stewardship. But most importantly, we must respect these animals and be aware of all we have taken from them–all for a ‘mouthful of flesh.’ Some may say that these animals only exist because of food production…well I bet if you asked them, many would prefer NOT to live and die in the deplorable way they do. Like us, animals feel emotions and pain. Like us, animals want to live a life unmolested, and with small pleasures, like feeling the grass beneath their feet, the sunshine above, eating what they like, raising young that aren’t ripped from them the moment they’re born (or laid), stretching, walking around freely, mating without human intervention, and so on. As Albert Schweitzer said, “Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight.” I’d say, think of it more than just occasionally, and try living your life as compassionately and mindfully as possible, in as many ways possible. Just remember…it’s not always about you.

Oh lord…talking to animals…here we go with the fanatical vegetarian activists.

I’d rather eat a steak than testosterone plummeting soy any day.

I’m with you on this John. Bring on the beef baby!!!!! Nothing better than a good steak. I will eat at Mc D on occasion. My kids love it there because they have really fun playstructures so when we are on trips we stop off to let our kids go play. I think anyone who says they don’t let their kids eat at Mc D is depriving them of a fun experience. I don’t do it lots, but there is nothing wrong with it on occasion. Granted I usually get the grilled chicken salad or wrap because I don’t like their beef (I find it too fatty and I make better burgers on my BBQ) but I don’t think eating at Mc D on occasion is going to hurt anyone. The person who was talking about super size me missed the point. Joel is not saying eat at Mc D everyday like on super size me, he is just making the point that Mc D on occasion, if done right and you excersize, is not going to hurt you (obviously not – have you seen pictures of Joel? He seems pretty healthy and fit to me – I wish I was that built lol).

Joel, I loved your post. That was really funny. It’s just too bad that so many people missed the point of what you were saying. Keep it up. I love reading your posts.

kevinNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Originally Posted By Joel Marion

Originally Posted By Ombretta CaruanaSomething that is prepared and has to be thrown away after a certain number of MINUTES or else it is deemed no longer healthy, is something I definitely do not want in my body. Has any one of you seen Super Size Me? Have you tried or seen their experiment? Crazy! I agree with Chad Hayden … 100% beef does not mean 100% meat … but everyone is free to make their own choices.

Holding times are to ensure serving appetizing, hot, not old food…not because they all of sudden turn deadly after 15 minutes.

Joel

Very true, the holding times are there to ensure the food is sold fresh and hot, after the holding time has expired the food is still safe to eat (won’t taste as good tho) as it is generally held at a temp which prevents bacterial growth,

Claire ShouseNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I have never been a McDonald’s fan and don’t plan to start anytime soon. That kind of information is as absurd as someone suing McDonald’s for $4 million because THEY spilled hot coffee in their own lap! Not to mention that the best thing McDonald’s ever served was their fries until a vegetarian decided that they wanted to sue because the fries were not vegan. …and won!!! Go figure!!???

It’s really sad that someone believes that it is true just because it is in print.

EnerexusNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Personally, I avoid McD… well, it’s only a taste issue. And it’s true, the only problem I find in those burgers is the omega 3 – omega 6 ratio. I don’t know if they add MSG to their recipes. I avoid that too, because it is, supposedely, insulinogenic, among other evils (could we someday have an article about MSG? Thanks, Joel).

Back to the point, I don’t like McDo mainly because the food tastes awful. But I agree with Joel that an occasional bunless burger wont wreak havoc to your diet.

PineNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I convinced that some people don’t even read the posts.

Oh, the folly of what I do.

Subtleties and sarcasms got lost in our rush-rush world of information overload.

Evan D'OrazioNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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i think Jim Gaffigan stated it best bout fast food

Eric MossNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Joel
Yet another controversial post. You should change your name to the renegade nutritionist. Anyways in a world where these rumors run wild its refreshing to hear someone bringing people back to earth.

Whats your stance on milk and the steroids, pesticides etc. It sounds to me like people are just being a bunch of sissy mary’s

TedNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Great post Joel.

I’m pretty sure that people that insist on talking down McDonald’s are only angry that they themselves can’t feel good about enjoying a burger on occasion ;) My advice to those of you who are “too good” for fast food – stop being so snobbish and enjoy life once in a while. You’ll live longer. Even if there were cow’s eyeballs in the burger you ate.

P.S. Gelatin is made from bones and intestines of animals and some hot dogs are cased in sheep intestines. Yogurt is made from bacteria cultures and cheese is curdled milk. Guess we should all take a lesson from our dear sitophobics.

Joel MarionNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Originally Posted By Rachel
Woah. McDonald’s should be paying us for all this free publicity (negative publicity can have advantageous effects too). Joel, I think you may have been offended by some of the judgmental comments that were made about your lettuce-wrapped double cheeseburger and thus felt compelled to defend yourself (diplomatically). I think you offer a lot of valuable information and would prefer if we could stick to topics that I could really apply to my fitness lifestyle. Although arguing can be fun and cognitively stimulating, the current contents of this blog are a far cry from what I would consider “Premium Web-Based Coaching.” It is only my fault, and I have to admit that I am slightly disappointed in myself for spending my time reading many of these comments.

People pay $197/month for Premium Web-based Coaching. This is a blog community and it’s a fun post – and it’s about the way people view food and nutrition – 100% applicable to what I do here.

Can’t please everyone, and believe me, I will never try to :)

Joel MarionNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Originally Posted By Bradford
Joel — I agree with Karen above. Do these people read at all? I’m not much of a McDonald’s eater, but it’s a good treat when I have it. Great post!

By the way — where do you get the cheap grass-fed beef? A lot is pretty expensive on line.

It’s through a CSA (community supported agriculture) farm in my area.

Do a google search for CSAs in your area. We bought a share and get all fresh produce there weekly, and they have a beer share as well – $45 for 12 lbs of grass fed ground beef…not even $4/lb!

Joel

DonnaNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I agree, I prefer a steak over whey protein all day. Have you ever tried it?

DonnaNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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when I used to eat fast food, I preferred BK, but I only ate there about 3 times a year. I prefer my own food and now that I know I’m allergic to Soy and artificial sweetners, I’m completely limited on eating out or anything processed. I just stay away, the pleasure of eating it is not worth the pain later on.

LilyNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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My feelings exactly. I dont usualy go to MCDonalds, but I enjoy sometimes their milkshakes. I know, I know, they are not healthy, but I just have them once in a blue moon!!

I however enjoy deer meat burgers made on my bbq instead of Cheese burgers.

Rick WidenerNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Great post.

I don’t usually get McD’s burgers but I do like the sausage, egg, cheese without bread for breakfast occassionally. If I really don’t think of health I go for their fish sandwich–love it.

Huu DoNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Well you are what you eat.

RobertoNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I use to eat at mc Donalds, (not frequently) I even had a buddy that work there. eventually I decided that my health, through wholesome home cooking comes first, not an easy way out burger that gives you cravings just 2 hours later and sucks nutrition wise. Just hearing what they consist of and how discussing the food process for those burgers only reenforces my decision not to include fast food in my diet anymore; the meat I consume now is always bought from the local supermarkets or organically feed cows from local farmers.

RichardNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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@Mike – LOL! It is absolutely hilarious when people don’t read the article, and just skim over it. Some of these “OMG that’s disgusting!” comments are cracking me up.

As for me, I eat fast food every once in a while. Not as often as I used to, and my health and body has changed for the better. As others have said, we are so afraid of what *may* be in our food, that we tend to pay no attention to what is actually getting in there from heated plastics, pesticides, antibiotics, herbicides, etc. I wouldn’t care if I ate mashed up cow eyeballs as long as that cow was healthy when it was slaughtered and wasn’t shot full of drugs over its life.

Many bottled waters are actually just tap water, much of our food is crap, and often the gray matter between some people’s ears is crap, too, because they never use it.

FrancisNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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So I had a Tartar this week-end in Paris in a presumably good restaurant named “Ma Bourgogne” and I would have better gone to Mc Donalds because I was sick like a dog the next day, with fever and everything. The tartar costed like 30 Dollars at least. So next time I’ll get a Big Mac!

Anita WrothNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I just don’t like McD’s.I prefere healthy options.Must be the years of being on dietes and trying to loose weight constantly!

DavidNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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@Shehryar Khan – No, they don’t use a cow’s p*n*s. I thought everybody knew that a cow is female, and doesn’t have one. I wonder if they use the v*g*n*?

CherylNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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McDonald’s is not a part of my ‘diet’ nor do I avoid it like the plague. I may eat it once or twice a month. I know it’s not healthy but when a real craving hits, it does hit the spot. Plus it’s nice to sit with my family and all join in a junk food dinner or lunch. It’s not often enough to do real damage in my opinion. Am I wrong?

Wende SharrockNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Well, it is not organic.
I like Burger King burgers better ~ couldn’t even tell you why. But get me between a rock and a hard place (hungry and no home cooked food with me) I would eat at McDonald’s ~ wrapped in lettuce, you bet. And be grateful. But you couldn’t get me to buy any frys (although I might eat ONE of yours if you bought some)!
Moderation is a good thing to shoot for.
Although I no longer drink any alcohol. Did that till the wheels fell off and I got allergic ~ I drink, I break out in felonys. Some things you learn.

CraigNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Joel,

What is your opinion on eating a double serving of prime rib steak at one sitting?

craig

Angela HaknerNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Don’t eat Mc Donalds at all, not even on cheat days.

ClimmyNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I love the comments about grass fed beef and grain fed beef. Except for the fact that different breeds of cows have different amounds of fat in the beef there is no difference. I bet if I cooked two burgers with the same breed of cow (one grass fed and one grain fed) you couldn’t tell me the difference. The key word is MODERATION. I don’t see any vegetarians living any longer than non vegetarians. If that’s what you want to eat, great. The main thing is your quality
of life. I would rather live a shorter life and enjoy it than eat something I don’t enjoy. Yes, I like to eat McD sometimes. The movie ‘Super Size” just shows what happens when you don’t eat in MODERATION!!!!

Liam MorrisonNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Good post Joel, people seem to think that people in the fitness industry or people who heavily involve themselves in fitness eat good clean food 24/7 and alot of people will have you believe they do, I have a friend who’s an amateur bodybuiler & is lean as hell pretty much all year round, and cause he’s so lean he makes out to people that he never has treat meals, and will say things like “I haven’t had any junk food for 4 months” etc etc, but I’ll know for a fact he has had something more than once within that time, and people do it so that it makes them sound better like they have a much harder time to be who they are than an average person, so it’s mainly an ego thing, it’s happened with me as well but people saying it about me, somebody else told another person I always eat this or this or whatever and I’m in the gym everyday for hours on end to look the way I look when I’m so obviously not cause if I was I wouldn’t look anything like I do, it pisses me off, everyone has a cheeky burger or a beer from time to time I know I do and I’m not an egotist so I’ll gladly admit it, I just train properly & eat properly 90% of the time but the other 10% I have fun & enjoy my life whilst still looking & feeling great.

DianeNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I eat at McDonald’s at least two or three times a week. Bad, I know, but it’s cheap, close to work, and I always forget to plan my lunch so I can bring it. I’m working on doing better. I usually eat the chicken selects, or chicken sandwich, but at least one of those visits will be a plain small cheeseburger. Never fries or pies or anything like that.

Claire ShouseNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I just found this… it is sooooo appropriate!!

http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1174

MattNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I love a McDonalds – but I don’t eat there anymore.

Although it’s more to do with the spotty teenagers who prepare the food without hairnets and -seemingly- without correct hygiene. Gross.

JanNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Obviously some people don’t understand sarcasm so you will have to spell it all out, Joel.

My motto is moderation in everything.

And no, animals do NOT have emotions and feelings. Humans are the only ones created with that aspect of God’s character, and we were commanded to be good stewards of creation. We can eat whatever we want but we should also be careful and kind stewards.

Mike GNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Originally Posted By Thinking WomanCow farts (which are supposedly causing global warming)

ROFL….Thinking Woman are you serious?? I’d really consider a name change if I were you.

Just follow the 90/10 rule. Keep your diet clean 90% of the time and you will be fine. If the other 10% has some McDonald’s in it, than there is no need to worry.

BUT, we should all worry about cows causing global warming. Maybe I’ll sell that idea to Chick-fil-A for their next marketing campaign. Eat More Chiken! Because the cows cause global warming!!

Joel MarionNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Originally Posted By Craig
Joel,

What is your opinion on eating a double serving of prime rib steak at one sitting?

craig

Anyone who does that is AWESOME.

Better yet, anyone who does that 3 days in a row is even MORE awesome :)

Why do you ask?

Joel

FeliciaNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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You go Joel. Your approach is reasonable. Live a little. I for one am not willing to give up every good tasting unhealthy food for the rest of my life. If you eat a limited amount on occasion, it will not kill you. For crying out loud people, CHILL OUT!

Just my two cents.

FeliciaNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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@Linda – You are an omnivore. This is a fact. You are designed and or have evolved, whichever you like, to eat both meat and veggies. You can’t really be healthy on only veggies. We are not cows, we do not turn grass into steaks. We are not carnivores and cannot live on meat alone and be healthy either.

Tanya ThompsonNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Yeah I don’t personally eat McDonald’s too often. Actually, only when I’m drunk, which isn’t too often. Even then I still have my doubts. Regardless of whether the beef also includes eyes or whatever else, it’s just bad food period. For me it’s the trans fatty acids. For some reason I don’t think McDonald’s will put my health over making a buck. So the buck stops here!

Joel MarionNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Originally Posted By kathy
Joel, you consume artificial sweeteners, fatty fast food like Mcdonalds, and personally, I get a kick out of your irreverence and lack of fear-based life style. This could be your way of marketing… and maybe, just maybe the fitness industry has gone to far and created too much fear. Chemicals are everystere. In everyting! Yet, we are living longer right?

I use Splenda and eat cheeseburgers wrapped in lettuce. Life on the EDGE.

AlisonNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Sorry but if you’re used to eating fresh and home-cooked, the mass produced stuff just doesn’t taste like anything even remotely related to actual food (more like cardboard) and doesn’t feel nutitious either. You don’t have to read anything, just be a bit sensitive to how it feels to eat it.

ChrisNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Awesome post, Joel.

I like someone that tells it like it is–I appreciate that.

Chris

JohnNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I don’t eat McDonald’s for one very simple reason. It’s SWILL.

It has never ceased to amaze me that the company that makes the worst burger in the world sells more of them that the rest of the world combined.

LanteiNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Joel that’s a really interesting take on McDonalds. I too love McDonalds, and I’ll tell you…as a college student sometimes its hard to find time to make a full coursed meal before classes. Now I’m not saying I live there, but every now and then I do eat there, but only off of the dollar menu. Poor college students don’t need to spend big money on food. Anyways…point being; I detest hear-say with everything in me. I’m a person who likes to know cold hard facts. People always say this and that is unhealthy for you, but they never say in what way. The way I see it…you can enjoy ANY food you want, as long as you do it in moderation.

KarenNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I worked at a McDonald’s for 3 entire weeks once. That was enough to put me off McD’s for life! True, I indulge once in a while, but we’re talking in terms of every so often over the course of 5 years time or so. I don’t think I’ve eaten anything from McDonalds in 3 years and don’t plan on returning any time soon, unless there’s nowhere else to eat…

PeteNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Wow, I wonder who in the world has the time to read all these comments? Joel, are you a speed-reader? Send us your secret!

BarbaraNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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What is up with your comment that McDonalds uses worms in there beef???
I don’t believe that!!

Gerald SchepensNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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No, I never eat Rotten Ronnie’s.

LorenNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Joel, I am 54 and I have been following your advice sence I began working out again 6 months ago. I went from 210 to 150 in 5 months. 22% body fat to 8% I have an 8 pack, yes 8 not 6 and I cheat on my diet at least 2 days a week. My chicken arms have turned into guns. Last month I started eating more and have been trying to gain lean mussel. I have been eating a lot of carbs in the late afternoon and I work out around 6:30 PM. I gained 3 pounds this month and still have 8 % body fat. I do work hard at the gym and at work too. Oh I guess I should add I eat MC Donalds burgers on my 2 cheat days without the buns also. I must go to a special McDonalds or something? There seems to be a lot of women (right off the beach) with very fine shapes eating the unhealthy food they serve there. I wonder where they hide the fat in those bikinis?
Where”s the beef? The beef Is Sitting home eating a big bun on their buns with their greasy homemade burger and fries, and a diet soda, making excuses and not exercising and bad mouthing fast food, gasping because JOEL ATE McDONALDS !
The beef is waiting for the perfect no effort easy excersise plan to come along. I say MOOOOOOOOOOw to the cows that blast every concept try all the fad diets and gimics and then crank on a pair of skinny pants and munch on ACI berries and tell me what unhealthy is!

Chris SNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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It was on the special features option for the DVD “Supersize Me” where Morgan Spurlock interviewed the guy who wrote “Fast Food Nation” (I think – been a while since I saw the DVD), and he said because of the way the food is processed, in one McDonald’s burger you’re likely to be getting beef that comes from (I think) maybe a thousand different cows. That’s a lot of different cows, and the implication is that say you were to get one cow that was diseased or contaminated or something, that contamination would get into all cows pretty darn quick.

Of course, avoiding McDonalds is no guarantee that you’ll avoid contaminated meat. And obviously they do actually have standards they have to meet. Or meat…. but hey, Mad Cow is scary and it must have got through a lot of quality checks…

But I think if you’re consuming any dairy at all, you’re probably just as likely to be exposed to some sort of cow-contamination-something as if you’re eating a McBurger. What to do?

Sorry I couldn’t provide exact details or more comprehensive citations for this info. I’m pretty sure his brother’s flat mate’s sister’s cousin from Argentinia who worked on a cow farm once had a problem with something, too…. :P

RichMNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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These posts are hilarious. While I rarely eat at McDonalds, I will enjoy a big, fat, hearty thick burger from Hardees. It’s not often but sometimes it is just sooooooo satisfying. I am and have always been a fan of beef or any other good source of protein(fish, chicken, turkey). Let’s just not all go out after this post and do the whole “Super Size Me” Experiment.
Well…………It might be good for your business, Joel.

RichNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I don’t like to eat at McDonalds except once in a Great while (just the kids burger). I prefer Wendy’s, and Burger King for my treats, especially Wendy’s because I can see the meat being cooked, and know the sandwich is freshly made. My experience at McDonalds and Burger king are that the burgers are rewarmed in a microwave, but Burger King has more vegetables on it than McDonalds. Rally’s is another favorite over the others, but I know the fat content is much higher, so I try and stay away. If I’m going to have a treat day at Rally’s, you got to go Big Buford.

MisschiffNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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You have no idea what is in that so called 100% beef or how it was prepared or the crap oil they use on the grill to fry it. AND even if you had to eat away from home, why would you pick McDonalds of all places? Treat yourself? WOW I can think of better junk food to treat myself with than that. There are so many fast food choices. Once your tastebuds get used to REAL FOOD, your body will reject the crapola stuff… and I mean literally reject it. You will feel like puking, or at least break out in zits or bad odours, burps and farts etc.

I can’t believe we are even having this discussion.

MisschiffNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Originally Posted By VinnyJoel, Anything inside of a cow is technically 100% real beef. That is why you can buy tongue at food markets, feet, etc. In other countries the people eat the whole animal, particularly the organ meats which you can no longer get in this country. And not eat just certain parts. This is truly an American phenomenon. If people knew what they put in hot dogs they would not be complaining about Mickey D’s.

You couldn’t pay me to eat a hot dog of ANY kind. They are all processed left-over body parts grinded to a pulp — pure crap food!

MarjorieNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Bottom Line Joel, you’re so dang funny…your sense of humor trumps everything else. Thanks for the laughs. You make my day.

buzzardNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I avoid the golden arches like the plaguemost of the time except when I’m traveling I occassionally stop in for a quick, cheap breakfast of scrambled eggs and toast.

CBNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I try to avoid McDonalds now because I believe its what has led to my weight issues. McDonalds dollar menu is economical and fast for those of us always on the run, but it can pack on the pounds easily. I will admit that I have eaten the burgers with 1 bun instead of both on the low carb/low GI days but I feel guilty about it!

Matt JNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Thanks for your take Joel. I agree with most of what you said, with gigantic corporations like McDonalds raking in the dough, it’s normal for people to question their level of standards, and sometimes urban myths develop from that.

Of course McDonalds has standards that it is required to operate under by per the USDA, but don’t kid yourself, standards slip from time to time and are overlooked. I’ve seen this first hand in the construction industry, building inspectors will sign off on buildings without a full inspection if they like you well enough and you don’t put them in a position that can compromise their job. They overlook errors too. Sometimes big errors because they like you and don’t want your company to take a big financial hit. At the end of the day, relationships and money wins out, this will always be true in business.

Not to say that there are no standards, but they aren’t met 100% all the time, and when they slip, more often then not they are overlooked, especially when there is a good working relationship between the business and the inspection agency. With a company like McDonalds that has been around awhile and is mega rich, they most likely have an understanding with high level officials in the USDA. I would not be surprised if they have a regular high level official that does most of the inspections, includes a few minor problems in his report that won’t cost McDonalds really anything and is just meant to show that the inspector is ‘doing his job’, but in reality he’s probably overlooking other issues because of the relationship. I’m speaking from my own experience in construction, but humans are humans afterall, and charismatic rich people get away with a lot.

This does NOT stop me from enjoying a McDonalds burger every once in a while :) I don’t get too caught up in paranoia.

Thanks again for your insight Joel,

-Matt

RobNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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You go Joel! Unless you’ve raised it, grown it, harvested it, butchered it, canned it, froze it, or whatever…how can you be certain of how anything was handled, what was added, what was not. Lets talk about your perfectly round, red, hand sized tomatoes (now that’s real natural) and the fertilizers and pesticides. Maybe we’d be best to eat nothing????
jeez people I know this is the antibacterial generation but we ate mud pies as kids and we lived. Dont know what worm ,dog, or whatever doodoo might have been on that ground over the previous 50 years and it was OK.
Wouldn’t make a regular diet of any fast food but I don’t want to go back to farming for survival either.
I believe an occasional burger…or fish (and what kind of fish are square anyway?), or chicken (parts is parts) sandwich while on the go to prevent overeating later because you’re famished and then shooting your glycemic levels up is acceptable.
When the photos of the critics are lookin better than the photos of the culprit (that’s you, Joel) then I MIGHT put more weight on their input. Till then I prefer to learn from those who do. That’s you, man.

NoraNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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@John
Well, just be sure it’s grass-fed and organic…wouldn’t want you to have a heart attack or anything. Oh, wait,never mind…you don’t have a heart!!! ;^)

NoraNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Originally Posted By Felicia@Linda – You are an omnivore. This is a fact. You are designed and or have evolved, whichever you like, to eat both meat and veggies. You can’t really be healthy on only veggies. We are not cows, we do not turn grass into steaks. We are not carnivores and cannot live on meat alone and be healthy either.

Oh dear. Plenty of examples of healthy vegetarians, actually.

NoraNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Originally Posted By JanObviously some people don’t understand sarcasm so you will have to spell it all out, Joel.

My motto is moderation in everything.

And no, animals do NOT have emotions and feelings. Humans are the only ones created with that aspect of God’s character, and we were commanded to be good stewards of creation. We can eat whatever we want but we should also be careful and kind stewards.

Yes, we need to be “good and kind stewards of creation,” as you put it, but you are so out of line saying animals don’t have emotions and feelings. Maybe you haven’t had any experiences with animals…otherwise you wouldn’t believe that for a minute. You can still believe in God and believe that animals have feelings, emotions, and yes….SOULS! (gasp!)

RobertNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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@Ben – I agree that In N Out makes far, far better burgers. But they’re much more expensive, it takes FOREVER for them to be made (because they’re made fresh when you order them), and there aren’t as many In N Out stores.

That said, I usually order the McDouble because I’m cheap and it’s the most protein that I can buy for $1 that I know of. I ditch the bottom of the bun so as to save some of the calories/carbs. And I never order fries or soda with it. It’s not uncommon that I have one every weekday just because it works with my schedule.

For a healthier choice, their side salad for $1 can’t be beat. Go easy on the dressing.

LanceNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Joel, u’re hilarious, always manage to give me a good laugh.
Some people just don’t understand sarcasm when they heard one.

I’m not a fan of fast food, but not really against them either.

Well…as far as i’m concerned, most parts of a cow are edible.
Heck, we even have cow stomach, tendon, tail etc … no big deal, & it isn’t cheap.

I’ve only tried it’s tendons, which are actually quite tasty.
But i wont try the eyeballs thou…

jenNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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I’m a vegetarian, but used to occasionally splurge on Filet of Fish at McD’s (generally close to my period, when I seem to crave fat). I’m in nowhere near as good of shape now as I was then, and the few times I’ve gotten one in recent years, it’s made me feel icky.

As to the components of “beef”–there are guidelines as to what proportion can be made up of stuff most people wouldn’t willingly eat–rats, flies, and yes, even eyeballs. I expect McD’s is required to follow this just like anyone else, and I expect they prefer to err on the side of least expensive.

There are plenty of other reasons to avoid McD’s. Despite their greenwash campaign in the last few years, they are nowhere near environmentally sustainable, from beef production to non-recyclable packaging.

The FactorNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Originally Posted By TomLook no matter how often you eat at Mickey-D’s, there food is still the worst you can get in the entire fast food industry. You see they use a little something called trans fat to cook all of there food in. Ever wonder why it tastes so good? Well fat adds flavor, and surprising enough McDonalds uses the worst kind of fat: trans fat. Believe it or not,but there burgers are actually one of the better things on the menu. Their chicken products, unless grilled, are literally dipped in a batter and then into a vat of pure fat. Usually they don’t let the chicken drain. They just slap it onto a bun and set it over a heating component as to keep it warm. When you bite into that thing you think,”Hey this is juicy, it must be real chicken.” Have you ever eaten the white meat of a store bought chicken? It doesn’t have juice coming out anywhere, it’s dry unless you baste it, and Mcdonalds doesn’t baste their chicken patties. That “juice” is just the fat that soaked in while that patty was just sitting being warmed. Basically it won’t hurt to have a hamburger now and then as long as you’re getting enough exercise to burn it all off. Don’t eat lot’s of red meat(beef) especially, because red meat is a huge cause of cancer. If you consume lot’s of beef start eating strawberries and blueberries, they have antioxidants and prevent cancer. If you eat enough you can reverse the effect of cancer causing beef. Remember, this is only if you eat a lot of beef, like having it as the main course of you meal for 5 days out of the week.

Yo soy fine.

Wow. Somehow you managed to repeat every early-to-mid nineties nutrition mantra, most of which that no longer hold true. McDonald has all but stopped using trans fats in their foods. Does that make it healthy? Of course not. That just means your “facts” are off.
Also, the studies that link beef to cancer are shaky at best. There’s no real control group in most of them. They take a group of people and only measure the amount of beef they eat. They don’t account for a single other factor. Here’s the issue, because beef has been demonized so heavily in the media, those people that watch what they eat consume less beef. Those who watch what they eat are less likely to get cancer. Does that mean beef causes cancer? No, it doesn’t. It’s more psychological than physiological. It’s question of what’s correlative and what’s causal.
And there’s no such thing as an antioxidant sledge hammer, dude. You can’t reverse any and all free radical damage just by loading up on antioxidants.
Oy.

Joel MarionNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Originally Posted By Barbara
What is up with your comment that McDonalds uses worms in there beef???
I don’t believe that!!

Please re-read the post.

The FactorNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Originally Posted By JimIf McDonalds represents 1% of your weekly protein intake, its not even worth talking about. Too many people on this post are focusing on minutae.

Oddly enough, that’s what kill most people’s diet and fitness regimens. They think they have to change everything all at once. This game doesn’t have to be black and white. It’s the old 80/20 rule. You don’t need 100% compliance on EVERYTHING.

The FactorNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Originally Posted By cruzmislDont like any fast food burgers. The meat doesn’t look like meat and the patties are 1/4″ thick. Also, ever since I saw Fast Food Nation I’m not too excited about eating at those places.

Maybe Joel’s post should have been expanded to include not believing everything you SEE as well.

ChrisNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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@Nora – “Healthy vegetarian” – now there’s an oxymoron (or maybe just a moron).

Mike ReeseNo Gravatar

June 4, 2009

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Great post, Joel. You know, I live in Chicago, famous for it’s hot dogs, and I like a dog with the works (drag it through the garden, we say) with the fries wrapped up snuggled next to it. Once in about a month, or two, I have one. Now, I’m sure my local ‘joint’s’ dogs are about as pure as McD’s burgers, but you know, I never see anyone out there protesting against the hot dog joint – I don’t know, do you suppose that it could be that they don’t make the MILLIONS OF DOLLARS McD’s does? Just asking ..

DanNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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Joel, you can’t seriously expect people to read stuff you write, can you? LOL

I don’t get why people have such a hard time believing McDonald’s is 100% beef. Even Morgan Spurlock didn’t rail on McDonald’s for their beef in Super-Size Me. Fries and chicken nuggets sure, but not the beef.

CharlotteNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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hahaha….too funny! Thanks for the post, Joel. Great info as always.@Joel Marion -

DavidNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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mcdonalds free… 3 years and counting

KenNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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@Christina

Christina, you are an ignorant fool.

NathanNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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Hey all,

I think the world of dieting and training has gone crazy! i think we need to remember that these are cheat ‘meals’… isolated incidents in an otherwise 90% adhered to plan. I believe in earning your cheats, if you truly eat well and train smart for 90% of the time, the cheat meal serves as a reward (and reminds you of how you would look and feel if you ate that sh*t all the time!)

you are what you eat, right?

once or twice a month (when i feel like it) i go to my local arabic grill house and have bread with hummous and an iskender kebab (chicken, beef, bread, yoghurt, tomato dressing) i know its not great, but i honestly love it! and it serves to stop me going crazy about my diet.

take home message? ‘earn your cheats’

JoNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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LOL LOL….Too freakin’ funny!!!! Joel I loved this post and totally get the point, and yes, I do eat at McDonalds every once in a while! :)

I must add that I totally agree with Mike G. “Thinking Woman” really needs to get a name change! lol

Aisha (oummichele)No Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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Look, I stopped eating that sh** over a decade ago! I don’t eat from ANY of the fast food places. I live In the UAE and the have McDonald’s here too and they say that the meats used are “halal” which means legal and wholesome but I don’t knowif they use locally grown beef or if they get it from the company somehwere else. Each McDonald’s is locally owned by Emiratees and I have my questions about health regulations as well.. So I only occasionally order pizzas and THAT’S IT!!!!! These places such as McDonald’s are POISONOUS and will make you FAT FAT FAT!!!

RaymondNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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As soon as I saw McDonalds Burger on your sample menu, I deleted it straight away, hope it was a joke!
I consider my investment in training too valuable to ever think about eating that disgusting food or I don’t even want to bother acknowledging it.

BobNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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@Felicia
It is easy to stay very healthy on a plant based diet, but as with all nutrition you need to know what you are doing. Check out these two vegan athletes.
http://www.brendanbrazier.com/
http://www.mikemahler.com/
There is some good info in the articles section of Mike’s site if you are interested to know more about how this can be done.
I’m not being contentious, just would like people to have this sort of info so they know what to do, if they choose to live this way.

@John -
Even some of us vegans avoid soy, there are so many other good plant based sources of quality proteins that is is a lot of fun playing around with all the flavours. :)

ClaytonNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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Hey Joel,

Cool stuff man… I am a personal trainer from Adelaide, Australia and I’ve heard some interesting “comparisons” to our Maccas vs. those of the US. While I am no expert on the differences between the two, I am very qualified to offer my opinion on it, as is every other person on this post.

I just finished reading an excellent email from Tom Venuto on his compliance ratio in terms of his standard eating vs. cheat meals, etc. and it’s very impressive. The numbers really don’t matter, but what is important as you know very well is that it IS ok to have cheat meals a few times per week or more depending on what your goals are. Tom is a natural bodybuilder and clearly has different objectives to probably 90% of readers.

I do as you, having cheat meals including Maccas although I can safely say I’ve had it 2-3 times in the last 6 months. Those going around saying it’s poison is possibly a tad overkill, maybe if they were eating it everyday, but then again you could be eating some other foods high in fats, trans fats, etc. everyday and replicate the results.

It’s the CRAP foods in general that we must take in moderation, and whats good for me might not be good for you.

I like to tell my personal training clients to “Be good most of the time…” It’s simple, common sense advice.

Regards, Clayton
Personal Trainer | Adelaide, Australia

BobNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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I take Joel’s point that eating a little of the wrong things does not do immense damage for those with a decent level of health and fitness. I’d be hypocritical to say otherwise as I see nothing wrong with a few glasses of good red wine with friends on the occasional evening.
Think I’d have gone for the quiet social misdemeanor rather than the fast food option though. :)

I cannot support factory farming and it pleases me to see that many others here have similar views.

VickieNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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I thought this post was hilarious! So many people freaked when they read the headlines about the worms and eyeballs-just goes to show you how easy it is to start a rumor; people don’t bother to read the whole post.

I do occasionally eat at Mickey D’s if I’m in a tight time constraint. I feel that it’s better to eat every 2-3 hours instead of skipping meals in order to eat at home. The skipping meals seems to have a worse effect on my metabolism than occasionally eat a lettuce wrap from McDonalds or Carl’s Jr. I do prefer to cook and eat at home, as there are so many wonderful things that can be prepared with fresh produce, fish, chicken, fruits, etc. You have total control of how and what you eat at home, no doubt, but please, everything in moderation, people.
Joel, It’s good to know that you are a “real” person and not trying to preach “perfection” to us. That is just a fairy tale that can never be achieved in the real world.Your methods and style are realistic and attainable. Thanks for everything. BTW, I’ve been on the “Cheat Your Way Thin” program for 10 days, followed it closely (but not perfectly) and have already lost 8 pounds! The exercise is realistic and easy to follow, as are the food regimens.

Chris SNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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Originally Posted By Chris@Nora – “Healthy vegetarian” – now there’s an oxymoron (or maybe just a moron).

Ever heard of Carl Lewis? Only one of the most awesome athletes ever. Ran his all time best times while on a vegan diet. Funny, that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOTETXwfIaY

Not the only athlete either. Also, not a moron.

JeanNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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There is nothing healthy or nutritious about fast food resturants. When you can throw a bag of McDonalds in your truck for a year and it looks no different other than a little dried out that can’t be good. Therefore, I really like to know where my meat comes from. I like to visit the farm and see the how the animals live. Bottom line, I like living foods that are good grown organically and where things grow on them if not eaten quick enough. So with that said, support your small local farmers and resturants who use them.

MattNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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I don’t eat fast food, period. I have nothing against it, I just have a three year old son who currently does not know what a french fry tastes like. I’m trying to keep it that way. I’m not so paranoid as to think it will kill me if I eat it, but I do know what my stomach feels like after I eat something like that. Personally, i don’t like that feeling, so I stay away from it.

JaroNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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Joel, first of all in the last three or maybe four years McDonald has improved the taste of meals significantly and I think that nutrition as well. And about burgers – if you do not eat 20 a week or for example one or two is all right. The best way: moderation in every aspect of life!

JamesNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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I was taken back like everyone else, but I did somemore research and found that this was proven false on Snopes.

JanNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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@Chris S – Wasn’t there some question about his possible use of steroids?

GregNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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AMEN to you Joe!
EVERYTHING IN MODERATION! Thats my motto and I have drilled this into my family.
Yes it may be filled with more fat but it is still considered pure beef.
For God sake, lighten up and cheat alittle bit but always within reason!

salNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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i personally dont mind eating a cheeseburger every so often…i dont understand why all the fuss is about…just cuz joel is a trainer and a nutritionist..that means we have to burn him for saying he enjoys a cheese burger every now and then??? well…he is human after all….i say…if u dont like it…thats fine…and if u do…then thats fine either…just dont express it so rude like that!!

Sal

NoraNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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Originally Posted By Bob@Felicia
It is easy to stay very healthy on a plant based diet, but as with all nutrition you need to know what you are doing. Check out these two vegan athletes.
http://www.brendanbrazier.com/
http://www.mikemahler.com/
There is some good info in the articles section of Mike’s site if you are interested to know more about how this can be done.
I’m not being contentious, just would like people to have this sort of info so they know what to do, if they choose to live this way.

@John -
Even some of us vegans avoid soy, there are so many other good plant based sources of quality proteins that is is a lot of fun playing around with all the flavours. :)

Right on, Bob! I was just about to send out Brendan Brazier’s site to the nay-sayers! :^)

Joel MarionNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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Originally Posted By James
I was taken back like everyone else, but I did somemore research and found that this was proven false on Snopes.

So you took time to do FURTHER research, but you didn’t even take the time to read the actual post?

Frankly, I’m baffled.

Joel MarionNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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Originally Posted By sal
i personally dont mind eating a cheeseburger every so often…i dont understand why all the fuss is about…just cuz joel is a trainer and a nutritionist..that means we have to burn him for saying he enjoys a cheese burger every now and then??? well…he is human after all….i say…if u dont like it…thats fine…and if u do…then thats fine either…just dont express it so rude like that!!

Sal

It’s interesting to read the different points of view, but believe me when I say I’m 100% unaffected by people “grilling” me (no pun intended).

But hey, it’s all about the discussion!

-Joel

DallinNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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The funniest thing about this is how people will claim that Mc D makes you fat. I used to weigh 220 lbs of mostly fat. Was it because I ate Mc D? NO!!! I’ve never been a big Mc D fan. I was fat because I ate lots of icecream, cake, etc and did not excersize. Now that I have changed my eating habits and workout and do cardio very regularly I’ve lost 50lbs. Yet I still have Mc Ds occassionally, just not all the time. It is over eating in general and not excersizing that makes you fat. If you eat healthy and are active then having a Mc D burger (especially if you don’t eat the bun) is NOT going to make you fat (again, look at pictures of Joel, he is far from fat – he looks pretty healthy to me). If you never eat Mc D and eat pasta or whole wheat bread or other “healthy” foods and you eat too much of them and don’t excersize you will be less healthy and have a higher fat % than someone who doesn’t over eat, excersizes and then has a Mc D burger on occasion. Moderation in all things and stay active. Those are the keys.

[...] so we had a little fun with yesterday’s McDonald’s post, but now it’s time to get back to our regularly scheduled broadcast – simultaneous fat loss [...]

ChrisNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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Even if it was true that McD’s uses cow eyes (which it doesn’t)… other than false advertising and the “Eww!” factor, what would be the issue? There are cultures all over the world that eat as much of an animal as can be consumed; they don’t have the luxury of designating some parts as being acceptable.

Supposedly they taste pretty good, too – maybe Joel can work up the nutritional profile. Don’t knock it, etc., etc.

chrisNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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sometimes mcdonals food is okay.
but afer eating – im feeling bad – because I know that food is bulk!

SeanNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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I like to stick to USDA Organic meats and just buy the chicken if I happen to eat at McD’s. I know, chicken there isn’t any better, I agree, but I grew up on a organic cow farm, I KNOW what real beef is supposed to taste like! :-)

Everything in proportion…life is about balance.

NicoleNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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@Joel Marion – LMAO. Life on the edge indeed. I’d love to see the general public’s take on this discussion, for the reality check if nothing else … it’s really a shame that the only people who will read this are fitness/nutrition enthusiasts.

keith FineNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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I’ve made some of my best gains while Mc D’s was part of my diet,no i didn’t live on then but its better than starving when nothing else is around.

ElizabethNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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I didn’t have to read the article to convince me, I hate McDonald’s food, it’s like eating cardboard, always battling to convince my 10yr old, I give in to her once a fortnight, then I feel bad for the rest of the day that i’m poising her.

Ronnie TNo Gravatar

June 5, 2009

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Hey Joel,

A few years back when I was on an Atkins type eating plan, I would buy a few MacBurgers or WKing bugers and throw the buns out and just eat the meat and cheese…..Got me lean and greasy at the same time….My choices for burgers are now basically made at home especially with the summers grillin happening here in Boston……Once in awhile I will buy the Fish sandwiches and throw out the bread……
Ronnie

Chris SNo Gravatar

June 6, 2009

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Originally Posted By Jan@Chris S – Wasn’t there some question about his possible use of steroids?

Wikipedia, not the most reliable resource, says that was in 1988, two years before he became vegan. But you raise a good point – who knows?

FayadNo Gravatar

June 6, 2009

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I have no problems indulging on a double cheese burger once in a week, but after I migrated out of the Middle East, I don’t have the luxury of eating from McDonald’s since it doesn’t conform to being HALAL(the Islamic etiquettes safe and humane slaughter of the animal).

But as far as my experience goes McDonald’s is plain yummy!

FayadNo Gravatar

June 6, 2009

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What’s with all the fuss of accusing Joel of believing all that on his post. He’s using a figure of speech to show us that it’s obviously false…

It’s a shame that this is a country of native speakers of the English language…

AaronNo Gravatar

June 6, 2009

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Mc’d's is awesome , big mac please , bbut usually only 2-3 on a cheat day , otherwise i might buy a water haha

donNo Gravatar

June 6, 2009

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Ha, Ha, some people really need to chill out, if I gave my children a choice between McDonalds or home made burgers like my mom used to make, they would choose home made. My mom could take a 1/2 lb of beef and make enough burgers to feed 6, with second helpings, yup full of fillers (mostly oatmeal, and wheat germ). Best burgers I have ever tasted, and my children get plenty of omega 3′s from the anchovie paste I put in it, shhhhhhhhhh, don’t tell them, they would never eat them if they knew how they were made. What’s wrong with eyeballs, the inuit ate seal eyeballs all the time, they are very high in vitamin C. Hey did you ever watch Survivor I’ve seen them eat worms, I here they are very high in protein, I guess they would be very tasty if you haven’t eaten in 5 days. I do eat at McDonalds every now and then, a fellow employee with me, who just had a heart attack, said that maybe he would cut back to only 2 servings of french fries per day, mind you he’s only 320 lbs, and has never seen his shoes on his feet without using a mirror. I told him maybe he should cut back to 1/2 a pack of smokes a day as well, he said “Yeah then maybe I wouldn’t have to give up any McDonalds.” Some people are so clueless.

GillyNo Gravatar

June 7, 2009

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Haha this is hilarious! I don’t like McD’s food. It has hardly any flavour. Their buns stick to my teeth. Well last time I had one it did – years ago.

If I’m going to have a treat food I want something MUCH better!

Our four kids don’t buy McD burgers. This is their choice as we don’t even talk about McD at home. Instead we focus on really tasty, healthy meals and yummy treats so our girls develop preferences for healthy, tasty food. I make burgers at home for my family and we love them!

As adults, most of us choose what we put into our mouthes, so we only have ourselves to blame if it’s not good. Off to prepare a yummy lunch.

DrewNo Gravatar

June 7, 2009

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Aren’t eyeballs actually relatively good for you?

MeshelNo Gravatar

June 8, 2009

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Should I choose to eat a fast food burger (which isn’t very often) I generally opt for Wendy’s. Reason being I have one close to my home and work. Second reason…last few times I ate McD’s food I was sick the next day. So I now avoid most of the McD’s menu. I will indulge in a few fries when I can steal them from a friend and the fruit & yogurt parfait but mostly I avoid McD’s.

Great post and some lively dialogue.

MichaelNo Gravatar

June 8, 2009

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Originally Posted By LaurelI don’t eat at McDonald’s because I believe the way they advertise to kids is irresponsible. And some of the movies they have promoted through their kids meals are NOT children’s movies. SO that is why I stay away. I don’t want my kids growing up, having a company like that as a part of what is ‘normal’ in our family life. We have other choices.
However, when we lived in England, McDonald’s THE only place you could get a decent burger that didn’t have a lot of cereal filler, and the only place that really was friendly to kids. So we did eat there occasionally with our boys.

McDonald’s certainly is NOT the only place you can “get a decent burger that didn’t have a lot of cereal filler” in England! Nor are they they only place that is friendly to kids. I had an awsome burger at Burger King just the other day, actually! ;)

JasonNo Gravatar

June 8, 2009

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I sometimes HAVE to eat fast food because of my job. When you are on an ambulance on a long transfer, you eat when you get a chance and sometimes Mcdonalds is the only thing available. It hasnt killed me. I have just come off a 16 week bulking phase and had no problem eating a bacon cheeseburger from Burger King at 3 oclock when I picked up the kids from school. Thats all Id eat though. It was small and just something to get some food in me. I was over doing the calories anyway. So to answer your question, I eat it when i have to and I dont feel bad about it. Its better to eat a little something bad for you than not eat at all.

JanetBNo Gravatar

June 8, 2009

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Sometimes, after eating fish/chicken/pork for days on end, ya just gotta have a cheeseburger!

HeatherNo Gravatar

June 9, 2009

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Originally Posted By CraigJoel,

What is your opinion on eating a double serving of prime rib steak at one sitting?

craig

Oh Craig, you are the man with the best post! That prime rib would beat that double cheeseburger any day. If I could fit a whole double serving of prime rib in one serving into my stomach I would, but alas, I get full too fast. But it is about quality and not quantity after all!

skepticNo Gravatar

June 10, 2009

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@Christina – I wonder why it is that people will take negative, unfounded GOSSIP and blindly accept it as the truth.

MatthewNo Gravatar

June 15, 2009

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I eat it on cheat days, and I order Micky D’s at work on night shift whenever I forget a can of beany weenies or tuna for a makeshift meal (I also consume massive quantities of beef jerky, sunflower seeds, and even Slim Jims!)

The reason I (justify) do this is the fact that I’m in South Korea, and on night shift. The food here is less greasy, and I can get away with it. Unlike Japan (where they pack up the grease count for reasons unknown at McDonald’s) the food here is mostly cooked in Olive Oil. Seriously.

I gotta make a point here: A lot of people might have seen the 800 dollar “Velocity Diet” by Chris Shugart on T-Nation.com? Well, even though I took it and went through that diet, I went on Joel’s Diet immediately thereafter. Since getting past the primer stage, I’ve lost 2% bodyfat, and I’m enjoying life more than ever. And I’m doing it with the occasional McDonald’s. :)

BJNo Gravatar

June 17, 2009

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Hi Joel, I’m with you . . . Micky D’s burgers are a lot better for you that their chicken sandwich . . . I know because I lived most of my life near the chicken plant that made the chicken (also worked at a chicken plant for a little while) and I know exactly what they put in them. One would never cross my lips. I’d much rather eat the burgers . . . and do . . . occasionally.

AnthonyNo Gravatar

June 23, 2009

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@Fayad – I agree with you. Sometimes I wonder if people are really that stupid or they didn’t even bother reading the post before commenting. English is my 3rd Language… and even I got the humor and all. And just so people know, most cultures in the world consume every single part of an animal except bones, which they boil and make beef stock with. I come from such a culture and all 4 of my grandparents lived past 100 yrs (no kidding). Real 100% beef? It’s all relative. When you think about it, what is so wrong with an eyeball anyway? Isn’t it make of protein?

Victoria O.No Gravatar

June 30, 2009

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@Shehryar Khan – yeah n thats y americans today are getting fatter n fatter as the years go by because we americans know our serving size proportions n that things are only good n moderation……NOT!!!!!

Victoria O.No Gravatar

June 30, 2009

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@Ombretta Caruana – thats wat im talking about gurl….my mother is allergic to anything with any traces of soy (also put as :soya, soy lecitin, soy bean flour, soy bean oil, soy bean) or vegetable oil {same thing} nd almost all food restaurants use veg. oil to preserve the food

adamNo Gravatar

April 20, 2011

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What is all this crap of them putting eyeballs in the burgers? In a lot of countries its considered a delicasy. Just because its kinda “alien” in america doesn’t mean its bad for you. Personally i don’t give a crap that they put eyeballs in my burgers it still tastes good to me. For all the ppl that think this is bad think about the other stuff thats bad for you, i rarely eat hot dogs or bologna. Think about other crap before spreading hate mail about a multi-billion dollar company, its world famous stop HATIN!!

TerryNo Gravatar

August 16, 2011

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Eyeballs? Probably not. And sure, eating at McDonald’s once a month won’t kill you, but you’re better off eating at a place that does not incur 126 health violations per 100 visits. Anyone promoting healthy lifestyles shouldn’t be eating there or promoting it any way. And to eat there and NOT consider it a cheat day… that’s just ignorant. Here’s everything you need to know about fast food! http://www.onlineschools.org/blog/everything-fast-food/

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