Ballantyne, DelMonte, Terrible Dessert, and Some Potentially Troubling News

@Nathan – There are different types of Soy. If I recall, the bars have soy isolate, while the milk is actually a different type of soy protein.

I don’t have any of my items in front of me to label them correctly, but, like Whey, there’s about 3 different types of soy supplements that get added. One or two of them are okay, leave the last one being the “killer.”
But, again, as all have say, all in moderation. The key here though is what is the moderation? 100g of Whey for working out is considered /low/ but 100g of Soy protein could be “lethal” for men.

what does soy have to do with bodybuilding I don’t understand that can you tell me joel

@Neil – Great elaboration on the GMO problem. Thanks!

My doctor told me 3 years ago not to eat soy products. She said that most foods in their natural state are good for you. But to stay away from anything processed and that is what they are doing to soy processing it into a meat like product which is not natural. I am glad to hear that you don’t recommend most soy products. I had a pediatrician tell me once that children had more allergies to soy than to dairy. So I guess the word is finally getting out. Thanks for the good word.

Thanks man for this great info. I tried soy milk few days ago, but I didn’t like it, this will alert most of us .

the lobbyists actually went through a lotta shit to make soy this ‘health food’ it is today. donald rumsfeld had some hand in these lobbys i do believe. it was once considered an anti-nutrient in asia.
these are just a cpl points i somewhat remember reading about a cpl years ago when i discovered soy wasnt all its cracked up to be.
i stay away from it altogether.

I do use soy as I’m Vegetarian, but its not my sole source of protein. I use much greater quantities of Gluten (wheat protein) as well as Whey and Eggs. Gluten tastes much better than soy.

—–That said, there’s no reason to become soy-phobic either; you can still enjoy some edamame with Sir Ballantyne and Playa Wince from time to time if you so choose. The sheer amount of testosterone that that Vince guy exudes is enough to make up for Craig’s plate of tofu any day.—–

This paragraph made me laugh because I read Vince and Craig’s stuff a lot :)

I have heard that the only type of “Safe” soy to eat is fermented. Do you know anything about this. My understanding is that it stills contains the right enzymes or bacteria etc to make it digestible by our bodies whereas normal processed soy does not.
I’m not sure if it being fermented has the same impact on the estrogen production. Could you do another post covering fermented soy?
I think it is a similar thing to raw milk and pasteuried milk. The pasteurization process removes the digestive enzymes making it not easily digested by our bodies. I recently had to give up eating/drinking all dairy, wheat, gluten, meat among other things, and the Naturopath recommended Soy for protein. I have refused to eat it based on what I know (which is exactly what you wrote about) but I was considering trying some fermented soy so any further info would be appreciated as it is very confusing. Thank You

Just think of this, when a farmer wants to fatten up any type of animal they feed it soybeans…

Cindy, you are correct. You can search NaturalNews for soy-related articles to confirm.

GREAT POST. JOEL!
I enjoyed all the comments on it so far. This is quite an important subject to talk about, and it can get very confusing.

There is huge controversy on this subject, which has been going on for some time now.

I believe that, in order to correctly evaluate all the available data, there is a piece of information which we may be overtlooking here, and that would definitely be a VITAL factor in solving this controversy, and I sure many of You will agree with:

What kind of soy are we talking about here? ORGANIC or TRANSGENIC? Were the studies mentioned done on subjects consuming transgenic soy? I strongly believe it to be so, therefore I am not at all surprised the results were so alarming, but only surprised they are not worse actually, because that stuff is NOT fit for human consumption; For what I understand, this is the ONLY kind of soy that is being massively produced in the US nowadays, and it is in hidden in LOTS of the products we consume every day!

In my personal experience, (with my Family, my Customers and myself – and I am talking about a group of approximately 50 people of both genders, going from 3 year old kids to a few teenagers, several people in their 20’s and 30’s, up to myself, a menopausal 52 year old and my Dad, who is a 73 year old cancer survivor), we have found all kinds of unwanted features and reactions coming from ANY transgenic soy-based product -and we have tried several!! -which not only taste and smell terrible, but have caused in us
a number of problems which are quite evident and measurable even without the need of any complex studies.

I firmly believe the grim results in these studies do come from the subjects studied consuming Transgenic Soy.

On the other hand, we -the group of @ 50 people mentioned above- have consumed (on a daily basis and some of us for up to 4 years now) four different products which are manufactured ONLY from NON-GMO SOY, (not genetically manipulated) and I must say that we all can not but rave about the advantages and benefits we are all enjoying.

So maybe, just maybe, all this is just a matter of Organic vs Genetically Manipulated stuff. Worth looking into, really.

And again…WE LOVE YOU JOEL, your are simply THE BEST!

You are spot-on about phytoestrogens. Research has indicated that the only healthy form of soy is ‘fermented’ (most commercial soy sauce is NOT naturally fermented) The people who were studied for the health benefits have been using it for hundreds of years, and even then it is only a very small part of their diet.
They never drank soy ‘milk’, which would stand next to margarine as one of the most unnatural foods ever. The number of chemical processes needed to get ‘milk’ from soybeans sounds more a leather-tanning operation, only more complicated.
Thanks Joel, for exposing some of these ‘health food’ myths, and getting the truth out. Hopefully, people will start thinking about what they are putting into their bodies (like corn syrup) and stop believing the propaganda TV ads which tell blatant lies.

Originally Posted By JimUnfortunately soy is an additive found in all kinds of foods. Its become llike sugar. Its everywhere. Most protein bars in fact are made with soy. Even if you made a conscious effort to minimize your soy intake, it’d still be there.

The clue should be additive. I’m fairly sure there isn’t any soy in my rump steak or my farm eggs or my cream. Remember food doesn’t come in wrappers and have long lists of ingredients. You’re thinking of frankenfood.

Alan.

Re: The China Study – this is the most scientifically sound book I’ve ever read regarding nutrition. Irrespective of the details, the message that we should be consuming foods in a relatively unprocessed form makes sense. Highly processed soy foods aren’t going to be good for you, and there’s no long history of processed soy foods being consumed anywhere. Fermented soy products do have a history of consumption, and the difference that makes to their nutritional value is huge.

In China, they do consume wheat – it’s what they make their noodles out of. In some parts where they don’t consume any wheat and only eat rice, there have been various nutritional deficiencies linked to this practice, because rice doesn’t have anything much in the way of B vitamins, but wheat does.

Regarding the consumption of milk, really, it’s just plain not good for you. It has been linked to the growth of cancerous cells, the onset of diabetes and multiple sclerosis, not to mention the fact that the vast majority of adults on the face of the planet are lactose intolerant to varying degrees. But there’s no reason why soy milk would be good for you either. From the perspective of Chinese medicine, they both have a similar effect on the body, and that isn’t a good one.

In The China Study, they compared rural populations in China with people in America, focusing on the nutritional differences. They made sure to study people who had similar levels of physical activity; Americans of Chinese heritage to account for genetic variations; they really covered as many variables as they could; they were upfront about where their funding was coming from; and they kept going with these studies for at least 20 years, if I remember rightly. They found that of the (I think) 6,000 people studied in China, there were almost no cases of cancer or heart disease.

They were not comparing strict vegans with meat eaters, they were comparing rural populations who didn’t eat much in the way of processed foods or animal products (basically because they weren’t wealthy enough) with people who consumed your ‘average Western’ diet. They also weren’t comparing impoverished people with rich people.

Unsurprisingly, they found that people who consumed a whole-foods plant-based diet were healthier. As far as I know, the Chinese they studied didn’t give a hoot about vegan politics or anti-vegan politics, but they didn’t consume milk or soy milk either. They probably didn’t consume much cane sugar either, which is also thought to be related to cancer. See Dr Mercola’s website – http://www.mercola.com – They didn’t eat much meat or highly processed food. To think you could be healthy because you don’t eat meat but you do eat potato chips all the time… I don’t think that works.

They also had really low incidences of arthritis and osteoporosis. And there were NO cases of protein deficiency either, despite the fact that they were almost vegan.

Anyway, I liked the book! But I think it’s good to not be too dogmatic. A whole-foods plant based diet has gotta be a good idea, without the politics.

Joel,

What about items like Cliff Bars? They have soy protein, so I take it a regular intake of them would not be good for me?

Dan

Originally Posted By DanJoel,

What about items like Cliff Bars? They have soy protein, so I take it a regular intake of them would not be good for me?

Dan

Ask your self this, did I pick this from a tree, did I dig this from the ground, did I kill it?
If the answer is no then it’s NOT real food, don’t eat it!

Alan

Hi all,

So let me clear this up… i can’t eat soy milk because it will affect my T levels but instead i can use milk? here is a email i sent to my clients last month:

You may have seen the massive advertisement campaign in the US, led by many celebrities asking ‘got milk?’

This is basically a drive by the dairy authorities to boost sales of this well known ‘healthy’ drink. Before you reach for that next glass of ice cold white stuff, read the following facts below:

– Cows milk is designed to make baby cows fat… and it does.

– Humans are not genetically suited to cows milk

– Humans need the enzyme lactase to digest lactose found in milk, however before the age of 4 we lose around 95% of this enzyme.

– Undigested lactose encourages the growth of bacteria in our intestines (nice), Bacteria creates an acidic environment, which is a breeding ground for all cancer cells

– Humans are the only species that consume another mammals milk

– Ask yourself ‘why cow’s milk?’ answer because it’s the cheapest to produce. (try getting a liter of gorilla milk out of a gorilla!)

– The dairy industry is a multi-billion dollar industry based on brilliant marketing and addictive tasting products.

– A study following 72,000 women showed milk to have no effect on protecting bones

– Countries with the highest milk consumption also have the highest rate of hip fractures in women

– Cows milk has one of the lowest absorption rates of all calcium sources

– Milk is high in calcium, but it is not an efficient source for it

– According to The china study (4 decades of nutritional research) dairy can cause heart disease, diabetes, obesity, osteoporosis, MS, Alzheimer’s and prostate, rectal and colon cancer.

– Dairy is also linked to acne, anemia, anxiety, arthritis, ADD, headaches, heartburn, indigestion, IBS, joint pain, poor immune function and ovarian cancer

– Casein, which makes up 87% of cows milk, promotes all stages of the cancer process

– According to research, men who drink milk have a 40-60% increase risk of prostate cancer

– The dairy industry is a for-profit, commercial business run by shady authorities

– The American administration under George Bush knew the facts behind Dairy consumption and yet targeted schools and military for extra sales!

– Cows are now injected with bovine growth hormone

– 50 years ago the average cow would produce 2,000lbs per year – now it is nearly 50,000lbs

– Monsanto, the company behind growth hormones for cattle also own Nutrasweet. (what nice people they seem?)

– On receiving BGH, half the cattle become infertile

– One cow in the US, was tested to have 120 different drug treatments to make it fit to continue milking, many of which are banned antibiotics for humans.

– Infected fecal matter can make its way into milk supplies – that fecal matter contains over 1 trillion (yes 1,000,000,000,000) paratubercolosis bugs per gram! (yummy)

– Virtually 100% of cheese products in the US has detectable pesticide residues

– Consuming high amount of dairy block iron absorption, contributing to iron deficiency

– Brussels sprouts have 30 times more absorbable calcium than milk

– Soy milk, rice milk, oat milk and almond milk are great replacements for cow’s milk

There are more, but I will stop now. Got pus? Got cattle faeces? Got hormones? Then you definitely ‘Got milk’

(Sorry if that spoiled your ice cold glass of milk… but its for your own good)

all the points were from a book called ‘skinny bastard’ and all have credible rescources and studies behind them.

Sorry for the long post but for every argument in the diet/fitness industry there is a counter-argument, but what people fail to realize is that everyone is different, so whilst one diet suits one will not suit another. The truth behind being healthy and in shape is:

– Eat good quality food (not too little, not too much)
– Avoid sugar
– Train atleast 5 hours per week

Simple eh?obviously there is a bit more to it than that, but if we all did the above, then there would less arguments about the consumption of so-called wonder nutrients like soy!

@Steve Martin –
I, too, have been reading about the ‘China Study’ – and have become concerned about one of the chief take-aways: that the more meat you have in your diet, the greater your chances of developing ‘diseases of affluence’: Cancer, heart disease, diabetes. As far as casein goes, China Study author T. Colin Campbell stated in an interview that he considered casein a powerful carcinogen. He also says that worrying about single dietary factors is a waste of time: the main thing is to eat a plant-based, rather than a meat-based diet.

I think your last statement really sums it all up – moderation is the key. Thanks again for a great post

So how much soy is too mch soy?

While I agree excess soy for some may not be recommended, keep in mind it is helpful to post menopausal women who are not producing the amount of estrogen that younger women are. Declining estrogen levels in older women make life miserable for a majority – everything from hot flashes, poor sleep quality, thinning bones, higher cholesterol and burning fat. I’m only 47 and already have experienced these problems even though I eat healthy and work out. It wasn’t until I added flax and soy milk (3x week) that I started feeling like myself again. It is amazing what our diets can control in our bodies.

KC — just wanted to tell you that phytoestrogens such as soy isoflavones are capable of binding to estrogen receptors (ER) to downgrade the effects of excess estrogen when levels are high, or to exert a weakly pro-estrogenic effect when levels are low. An interesting note in the research is that phytoestrogens do not seem to cause cells to proliferate as steroid estrogens can under certain circumstances.
By weakly binding to estrogen receptors soy isoflavones (such as daidzein, shown R) can block negative effects of excess estrogen; alternately, when levels decline, they can “stand in” for estrogen (estradiol molecule, shown L) to moderate negative effects of low estrogen.
This effect is partly attributed to isoflavones’ higher affinity for estrogen receptor beta sites than estrogen receptor alpha sites in body tissues. The theory is that soy’s benefits are seen in the body tissues that are higher in estrogen receptor beta sites, like the bones and brain, but it does not cause unchecked cell growth in the tissues that are higher in estrogen receptor alpha tissues, such as the breasts and uterus.
IN other words — the estrogen that soy produces is actually a weaker version than your body’s natural estrogen, and therefore, is not dangerous. I just wanted to let you know in the event you start suffering from terrible side effects from induced menopause. You can read about this on WomentoWomen.com.

I am officially scratching edamame from my Japanese all u can eat list of foods I can eat. I like to keep my sperm thank you.

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